Master Cleanse/Lemonade Diet
- by rickyfatts
- 2009-04-08 04:04:12
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Hey all,
does anyone have any info on having a PM and doing the Master Cleanse aka Lemonade Diet?? It is basically a fast in which pretty much the only thing consumed for 10 days is 6-12 cups of this special lemonade . The lemonade consists of water.lemon/lime juice, pure maple syrup, & cayenne pepper. I've done this cleanse before(june08) but not since receiving my PM(feb 09). Any knowledge or data would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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R.A.M.
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15 Comments
Master Cleanse
by wiredwoman - 2009-04-08 05:04:12
Hi there!
I would always encourage people to have their healthcare advisor's okay - whether Western/homeopathic/kinesologist etc - before doing a cleanse, just to be on the safe side. I'll also preface my comments by saying I seem to be one of the most alternative-oriented people on this site - at least that I've found so far. (If there are others out there, please let me know! :)
I've done the Master Cleanse pre-pm for the full 10 days as well as shorter stints. And since getting my pm in February I've done it over a weekend as a tune-up with no problem. I haven't felt the need to go longer but if/when I do, I'll take it one day at a time and check in with my body - my rule of thumb anyway.
I'm not a faddist, nor is weight loss my goal. I've done many different cleanses over the years, and am no stranger to nutrition. I started out with major cleansing reactions - which sounds like what Pacergirl may have experienced - but now they've pretty much disappeared. In fact with the MC I had none. I've found it to be one of the gentlest. The calories, nutrients/minerals it contains are supportive to the physical body.
So if your doc says okay, why not take it day by day and see how you feel? Maybe just do it a weekend at first and see how that goes, which will help dissipate any fears you have when/if you go for a longer one.
To Your Health!
**wiredwoman
a bit more info on me
by rickyfatts - 2009-04-08 05:04:32
In Feb(on my bday of all days) I began having pass out spells. I ignored them for a week or so(other than passing out I didn't feel bad per se) till I fell and hit my chin which required stitches. Even after that I didn't get it checked out till I got my stitches out 9 days later. I thought I was becoming hypoglycemic or diabetic, never did I suspect it was my heart. The 1st doctor told me I had an AV block and that I should see a cardiologist. He made an appointment for me but it wasn't for 5 weeks or so(which in hindsight I wouldn't have made it that long). A good friend who had just finished pre-med instructed me to go to the ER. Upon going , to my surprise I was admitted and put in ICU, even though I still didn't feel ill. My heart rate was in the low 50's while I had my friends and family around but as soon as they left it was in the low 40's and high 30's. I had a 2nd degree block. While in the hospital I felt another spell coming on and I saw my HR drop to 0 before jumping to 80 and settling in the mid 30's again. I had gone into a 3rd degree block. Shortly after I had a temp PM put in for a few hours before receiving my permanent one. I was home the next day. I'm on no meds or anything else.
I had mentioned the cleanse to both nurses & Dr's and they didn't say it was bad but never really said much on it at all. I did the cleanse for the 1st time last year and felt phenomenal with a huge increase in energy. I never really felt hungry either. I'm doing it for the cleansing aspect, the weight loss is a bonus.
ok, but
by Tracey_E - 2009-04-08 06:04:40
What you eat and your pm have nothing to do with each other, but it could affect your underlying heart condition so I would run it by your doctor.
I know it's popular and I know people who have done master cleanse and swear they feel great, but I have serious doubts about the safety of this diet. Any diet that is very low in carbs puts your body into ketosis, which is very stressful on your organs.
The Cleanse
by pacergirl - 2009-04-08 07:04:08
About 2 years ago I was working for a Dr. whom I found out later didn't believe a PM was right for me, thought I should do a "Cleanse". I did it and I nearly collapsed! After 2.5 days I said I am too dizzy, weak and near collapse so I began to eat again.
I personally will never do that again. I could handle the feeling hungry, but my goodness I was so lightheaded and dizzy I could not walk.
Tracey has the right advice... it certainly could effect an underlying heart condition. Be careful if you do and monitor how you are feeling.
Good luck,
Pacergirl
Why not use Drano?
by ted - 2009-04-08 07:04:26
These "cleansing" fads come and go. Every year there is some new scam. They might help someone once in a great while, but they are generally dangerous and can and do kill or seriously injure gullible people. The bpdy does net need to be cleansed. A sane healthy diet and exercise are sufficient. The way to lose weight is to decrease your intake. Remember the highly touted "Atkins Diet" years ago? It not only killed and damaged many people but also killed it's founder, Dr. Atkins. Ketosis and the other ills caused by crazy diets can be deadly. I hope that no one in this group listens to these irresponsible "testimonials" about how this lemonade allegedly changed someone's life for the better.
nutrients
by Tracey_E - 2009-04-08 08:04:46
I'm all for alternative and natural solutions so I am trying to approach this with an open mind.
The master cleanse website says the lemonade has all the nutrients your body needs. I took the ingredients and put them in a program I have that tracks nutrition. There are enough carbs in the maple syrup that ketosis isn't a problem, that's the good news, but there's just no way you can justify that this is healthy.
one days worth of lemonade is:
766 calories
1 gr fat
198 gr carbs
3 gr protein
it has a little vitamin K, C, and calcium- less than a third of what we need each day- but virtually NO other vitamins.
The website touts all sorts of wonderful things these ingredients will do for your body, but offers no scientific evidence of any of it. The guy who invented the diet? He was convicted of practicing medicine without a license and second degree murder when patients died from his treatment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Burroughs
Please think twice before doing this!
more facts
by Tracey_E - 2009-04-08 09:04:08
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-lemonade-diet-master-cleanse-diet
I'd agree with TracyE...
by turboz24 - 2009-04-08 10:04:33
Not to repeat what everyone says all the time, but... of you consume less calories than you burn, then you will loose weight. As mentioned before, 250 calories or so below what you need to maintain your weight is as far as you should go long term. I would also try it this way..
monday through friday - 250 calories less than you need
sat - sunday - calories you need.
I believe this helps your body not to think it's "starving".
Eating smaller meals more often also helps.
But...
rickyfatts, as a guy, it shouldn't be that hard for you to do a little weight training, a little cardio, eat right and add some muscle mass.
Each person is a little different, I will admit. For some it's easier to pack on muscle and loose fat, for me, it's hard to gain either, and for some, they have a hard time loosing fat, but... Each person should be able to do it.
nonono
by jessie - 2009-04-08 10:04:59
doing that is totally hard on anyone. eat less than you burn to lose weight . that is the only answer. lol jessie
The Question Asked...
by wiredwoman - 2009-04-08 11:04:42
The question asked was for anyone with info on the combination of Master Cleanse and pm, not for approval of the cleanse itself, which he'd done before and was very happy with. Out of the comments so far, I'm the only one with personal experience of both, so I can't help but find some of the pushback above a bit ironic.
TraceyE. I like many of your posts. As for corroborating opinions in this case, however, I could just as easily find articles written by experts touting the benefits of the MC - and certainly many more exposing FDA approved medications and or medical equipment with all their supporting scientific data as the cause of hundreds of injuries and deaths. And they're just the ones we know about. It's not by coincidence that our legal recourse has all but disappeared in the past few years.
I'm not here to try and win converts and am even less interested in debating the benefits of one approach over another. I know what works for me, and I also know that many other people use the same methods successfully. My understanding of this forum was that it's for the sharing of knowledge, personal experience and support in this common experience. I had hoped that to mean a wide swath of knowledge and experience, and support that reached across the aisle, so to speak. Sadly, I'm not so sure that's the case.
Death because of Master Cleanse inventor
by ted - 2009-04-09 06:04:04
To add to Tracy E's always enlightening comments:
Stanley Burroughs, the hustler of the lemonade diet was nothing but a crook and a killer. Read the opinion of the California Supreme Court, 35 Cal.3d 824 in which he was prosecuted for the original charge of murder (but the court ruled he could only be charged with involuntary manslaughter).
Burroughs convinced a 24 year old man suffering from leukemia to give up any contact with his physician and to let Burroughs treat him with his lemonade and by exposure to colored lights and massage. The patient died of a massive hemorrhage in the abdomen..
This is a forum for pacemaker and ICD patients. I believe that it is reckless and irresponsible for anyone to promote death-dealing "cures" in this website or anywhere on the internet. If anyone wants to waste their money and risk their life with copper bracelets, colonic therapy, colored lights and other of the thousand scams and frauds that seek to take advantage of the frightened and the unwary, that is their choice. But to try to peddle this "junk science" in this group is inexcusable. I hope that Tracy E. and everyone else will continue to expose these crazy posts when they keep popping up.
wiredwoman
by Tracey_E - 2009-04-09 07:04:36
"The question asked was for anyone with info on the combination of Master Cleanse and pm"
Scroll up, that's the first question I answered- having a pm has nothing to do with it. When there were some negative comments, I decided to post some facts.
Fact: 3 gr of protein a day is not healthy. The bar I just ate for breakfast has more protein than 5 days on this diet. You will lose muscle mass doing this cleanse, and your heart is a muscle. Cardiac patients should not stress their heart, common sense.
Fact: the inventor of it, touted as such a genius, went to jail for fraud and murder. Sorry, but that kills his credibility in my opinion.
"As for corroborating opinions in this case, however, I could just as easily find articles written by experts touting the benefits of the MC"
I've probably already read many of them but I'd love to see them. I researched this extensively and considered doing it after a person I respect and trust raved about how wonderful she felt. After hours reading up on it, all I found were claims with no facts behind them. Lemons are full of nutrients. What nutrients? Maple syrup is nutritious because it's "tree blood". What does my physiology have in common with a tree? I wasn't sold. Tell me what I missed, I'd be happy to hear it.
Diets!
by marijke - 2009-04-09 09:04:28
Well, dear rickyfatts, When you follow a healthy diet, I think you do not need a cleansing with what ever lemenade diet. Why don't you eat steamed vegetables and some fish with rice, steamed too. Eat lots of fruits and skip all those soda's with sugar., minimize your salt intake and meat. Avoid fat. Drink tea or water. when you like coffee, drink it with skimmed milk or take decaf. Devide your food over the day, so your stomach doesn't get upset and bonus your self every week one day with what ever you like to start. You will feel the difference, realy! If you want some recipes or other information or advise let me know. I write articles about food in a magazine for the Dutch community in Jakarta where I live. Succes with your lemenade cleansing! Marijke
Response
by wiredwoman - 2009-04-09 10:04:17
This thread has generated quite a bit of activity. Due to the direction it's taken, I thought it worth a final response.
Almost twenty-five years ago, I cured myself of debilitating migraines for which traditional medicine had nothing to offer but drugs that didn't work. Unfortunately that hasn't changed. What did work was very simple, but unpatentable. I was also diagnosed with colitis. Gone. Hypothyroidism. I'm currently barely borderline hypothyroid, without medication.
For the past dozen or so years I've had the benefit of guidance from some extremely knowledgeable and gifted people, to whom I'm very grateful. I believe my very speedy pm recovery is largely due to that guidance. I don't feel the need to defend my opinions or prove anything - or to push them on anyone else. You'll have to do your own research. Mine's hands on - and nearly twenty-five years' worth.
I will add one clarification, however, regarding the protein/cleanse issue - as that may be a legitimate concern for some people. Any of the many health care practitioners who recommend cleanses and think it a concern for an individual, could and probably would add aminos (the building blocks of proteins) or some other supplement as they see fit. I don't get into that with people, but rather recommend they have guidance - for that and other reasons.
This is my last post on this thread - and my last viewing of it as well. For those of you who find comfort in it, I leave you to your continued vituperation.
I wish you all peace and a blessed holiday.
**wiredwoman
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weight loss
by Hot Heart - 2009-04-08 03:04:13
Hi there, if you are planning on doing this for weight loss, it is absolutely the wrong way to go about it. I have experience of teaching about nutrition, if you want to lose weight the best way is to consume 250 less calories a day, try to burn off 250 more calories a day, and build some muscle.
The 500 calories will add up to a weight loss of 1lb a week, I know it doesnt sound much but keep it up and it is 52lbs in a year, and you have much more chance of keeping it off.
1lb of fat on your body burns off approx 3 cals a day, 1lb of muscle burns off 50-70 cals a day, so the more muscle mass you have the more your body burns off and the more you can eat in the future.
By limiting your food intake you are causing your body to go into starvation mode, it then holds on to as many calories as possible because it doesnt know when it is going to receive its next meal.
Hope this helps. HH