Don't Give Up

I started to write the message below as a comment to a question Gracie posted about PVCs, but I got side tracked and just found my unfinished comment. Since Gracie has gotten her question answered and I think of what has happened to me (it is good for a change) with my PVCs, I decided to post it here with the thought it may give hope to some that must be as unimpressed with the results from their pacemaker as I had become. This is long and for that I apologize, but I simply do not know how to write short stories. But, just remember you can quit reading when you get tired which is unlike me, I had to finish my story.

PVCs seem to be a nemesis for many of us with pacemakers, or any other heart disease. I was never aware of having a PVC prior to a heart attack 27 years ago. I had a few skip beats, nothing to even ask questions about. Then the heart attack and a few weeks later quadruple bypass surgery and irregular heart rhythm became very common. Over the years they would go from being a real nuisance to something that happened infrequently. At one time or the other I've been told to spot about everything but breathing to see if that would help. I got my pacemaker in 2000 and while it didn't reduce the irregularities, it didn't make them any worse. Then I had something to come in out of left field a couple of months ago that have almost brought them to a halt.

I mean the PVCs, PACs and skip beats were so frequent that about 6 mo. ago an echocardiogram gave the doctor essentially no definitive information so he ordered a MUGA, with the same results. The good doctor then ordered 35 hours of EECP and if you are not familiar with that one, Google EECP and read until your heart's content. It is an interesting procedure and I can see the logic behind it, but I failed again, I was bouncing around on the table so bad because of the arrhythmia I had to call it quits after two weeks. That was in March and until June, things were really bad. Due to the arrhythmia and the associated chest pain, especially when my heart rate dropped to mid-40s (about 25 BPM below the low set point on my PM) my physical activity was reduced to little more than moving from chair to chair or to this computer for short periods of time. My doctor saw me as such hopeless case that he told me that all he knew to do was recommend that I talk to the Master and be sure all my affairs were in order. I didn't ask for a time line as I refuse to believe doctors that suggest that I may die soon. He was the fourth one I've heard such from since '85. Now I know one day some doctor will be on target, but not now, I'm too busy.

Then a couple of months ago I decided to contact Medtronic and set up an appointment with one of their Reps to see if there were any adjustments on my pacemaker that could stop it from letting my heart rate drop into the mid-40s much too frequent. They set up the appointment with their representative Jessica along with Jose a tech from the pacemaker clinic I use. The three of us has a good discussion about what was going on and what could possibly help. My input was a request that the low set point be increased from 70 to 80, although I had no solid foundation for wanting that, it just seemed like the right thing to do. They agreed and Jessica said in addition let's restart the rate response, while Jose was busily checking records and clinic procedures to see what could be done without our having to consult a clinic doctor. I didn't want a doctor present because I knew one would just muddy the water. Jose didn't want one present because he would have to defer to the doctor's wishes and could no longer be free to offer input. Jessica didn't really care one way of the other as long as something was done that she could report to her bosses.

A quick side note here. When I arrived at the clinic that morning I had to walk about 150 feet in an A/C building. Even with that little walk I had to stop and take a nitro for chest pain. About 15 min after the changes mentioned above were made and we started out, I had no pain and felt like running, although I knew better than to do that. My wife did keep telling me to slow down as opposed to her offering to get me wheel chair several times when I was walking from the car to the Clinic.

My life changed completely after those settings changes. I did have to return a month later to get the rate response "de-tuned" a little, but nothing major. Yesterday I returned from another echocardiogram and throughout the entire test (which must have been 20 to 30 minutes at least) I did not have a single PVC and had only one skip beat. This is the same doctor that told me I should have a conversation with The Master and he kept looking at the film of the test and saying he couldn't believe the difference he was seeing. He would never admit that all of my improvement was totally due to the PM settings changes, but he couldn't deny it either. The nearest thing to an admission that it may be the PM changes was when he said "it is strange how increasing the low setting just 10 BPM and tweaking the rate response a little could cause that much change."

But it did and like I told the doctor the other day, it took nine years to get the right setting for me, but I'm very glad it finally happened. I guess if there is a moral to this story it is never give up and keep asking questions and keep saying "why" when you don't get the answer you want or understand.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not about to enter any marathons, but I no longer have to stop and think will this activity be more than I can handle? I am back to living the normal life of an old and tired 80 year old.

Smitty


9 Comments

Good one Smitty

by ElectricFrank - 2009-09-28 01:09:10

I have an idea why increasing minimum HR reduces PVC's. Since the PVC is an early beat setting the minimum pacing higher gives less time for the PVC to jump in. This fits with my observation that most of my PVC's happen when my HR is in the lower range.

By the way my cardiologist insists that the pacemaker settings can't affect PVC's. Probably went to the same school as your "Conversation with the Master" doc.

Just a thought,

frank

Carolyn65

by Carolyn65 - 2009-09-28 01:09:30

HEY ~ Smitty ~ isn't 80 the new "40" ~ "keep on truckin' & giving us ALL such good, accurate advise ~ YOUR advise has helped me tremendously in the past and now, since I will get my first PM on Oct. 2, 2009 ~ YOU have been most helpful to all my questions AND concerns ~ ~ Later

Didn't work here

by ShadowWeaver - 2009-09-28 04:09:17

I know when I had a medtronic rep check my PM, he tried to up my low setting to 80 just to see if it would help control some of the PVC's and PAC's, but it didn't. The thought process was along the lines of what frank was saying about them not having time to slip in there when the rate is higher.

Tuning up the pacemaker

by ElectricFrank - 2009-09-28 07:09:23

The discussion just reminded me of my old 1928 Model A Ford I had in my younger years. Everything was adjustable from the drivers seat. On the road I would play with the spark timing and mixture til I finally would get it from spittin and jumpin to purrin. Everything interacted and just come to a hill and was back to adjusting.

I wish we had a couple of knobs on the pacers. We could put them EP's out out of business.

frank

Shadowweaver

by SMITTY - 2009-09-28 08:09:14

They did restart my rate response and set the sensitivity higher (or maybe lower, I don't know) and made some other changes, so I can't really say all of my improvement was due to just the faster heart beat. I don't know and that is why I think a pacemaker can help more people than they do if the time to try many different things were available and the knowledgeable people to make those changes were available.

Smitty

Frank

by SMITTY - 2009-09-28 08:09:58


You said essentially what the good Dr. said, My description was the PM with the more frequent impulses was heading a lot of the premature beats or skip beats off at the pass. No matter what it is, it is amazing how much better it can make a person feel.

Another thing, the echo showed an EF of 37 to 40%, which is what it has been for some time. The faster beat gives my about a 15% increase in blood flow and of course that helps a lot. In fact the actual flow increase is probably better than the 15%% as that is based on the 70 BPM and I seldom had that for more than a couple of minutes at a time. My guess is the BPM probably averaged out to be about 64 BPM while I get the 80 BPM at least 95% of the time so the actual increase in blood flow may approach 25%. Whatever it is, it is better.

To me this brings home the idea that most doctors and even the manufacturers do not really know all the things a pacemaker can or cannot do. I'm pretty sure that pacemaker design is based on a constant BPM and then they throw in a fudge factor to take care of the excursions and say those are the limits of it capability. But the heart is not a mechanical device and the only thing that is certain is that it is either beating or it is not. When one is in trouble, it is a shame the time to experiment is not available to the doctors,nurses or technicians. By experimenting I don't mean change a bunch of settings and send the patient home and tell them to comeback in so many weeks. Major changes should be monitored until the effects are know.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how long my good fortune holds. I hope forever, but I'm very thankful for every day I get. I do know is all it takes is a few days of bad times to make a person really appreciate the good times.

Smitty

It worked for me.....

by MRSNO1MAX - 2009-09-28 12:09:18

I posted on here some months back that I had moved from Fl.to GA. and new doctors. I was in terrible shape but after my first visit to new heart doctor and the wonderful Lady from Medtronic who said my settings were set way to low and fixed everything. It was like a light switch. was turned on and I felt great. I'm still doing good. I will not over do but it's great to be able to breathe. Smitty' I'm so glad it worked for you to. Some times Doctors need to listen and not ignore what you are telling them. My Doctor in Fl., when asked why I couldn't breathe his answer was I just have a real bad heart.

Maybe

by ShadowWeaver - 2009-09-29 03:09:19

I have all but given up on the idea of ever feeling normal again. My life will never be the same with a pacemaker as I cannot fight with a pacemaker (I have spent 21 years in the martial arts). The best I can hope for really is to not feel pain the entire time that I have left. I have all but given up hope of anything more.

ShadowWeaver

by SMITTY - 2009-09-29 10:09:42

I understand what you are saying. But I guess the words giving up are not in my vocabulary. My wife has told others that the quickest way to p*** me o** is to tell me "you may as well give up or quit trying as it is not going to get any better, or you can't do that." Well, I may not, but I'll never know that improvement was not out there because I will die while still trying.

Like I said, it took me nine years to get pacemaker settings that I think really helps me. Along he way I made more than one person angry by insisting that better was possible and my problem was that they were not smart enough to do what they presented themselves as being capable of doing.

So whatever you do, don't even think of giving up. I'll bet you got that pacemaker on the premise that it would help you, now make somebody prove that you have not been defrauded.

Good luck,

Smitty

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