Cost of devices

What utter bullshit

by AgentX86 - 2018-10-22 23:17:04

Please take it to a political forum.  You're not wanted here.

AgentX86

by DAVID H - 2018-10-22 23:29:08

You didn't read what I posted, did you?  A  barely literate 4th grade dropout aren't you?  I've learned recently when I bring up a  legitimate discussion about any subject and get snarled at by anyone, my reaction is: "Go pack salt up your fat AZZ!"

Yes

by AgentX86 - 2018-10-22 23:54:50

I wasted my time on you.  I won't make that mistake again.

AgentX86

by DAVID H - 2018-10-23 11:59:49

Dude! ---BTW: How's the the salt project goin' for you?  Don't pack too much ------ it'll cause you to become more illiterate! 

Why all the anger ?

by IAN MC - 2018-10-23 12:45:01

I haven't a clue why Agent responded so aggressively to David's original post.

 Financial commentators have already made the point that pacemakers and lithium batteries could be affected by trade tariiffs imposed ( particularly by China ) in retaliation to US policies.

I also haven't a clue what percentage of our pacemakers are made in China, I imagine that most batteries are..... anyone know ?

Ian

The market place

by Selwyn - 2018-10-23 12:50:44

Among continents, European countries generated the highest dollar worth of exported heart pacemakers during 2017 with shipments valued at $5 billion or 91.3% of the global total. In second place were North American exporters at 4.4 while 4.2% of global pacemaker shipments originated from Asia

Thanks Selwyn for the quick response

by IAN MC - 2018-10-23 13:09:36

...  I think it is fair to assume from these figures that the US must be importing SOME pacemakers so tariffs introduced  by European / Asian  manufacturers would have an adverse effect on American patients. As far as I can tell, that was the point that David was making before it got all emotional.

Cheers

Ian 

in other words

by AgentX86 - 2018-10-23 13:15:07

You have no idea what you're talking about but insist on hijacking an apolitical group for political reasons. IOW, you like being trolled.

If that's what you want this group to become...

"in other words"

by ROBO Pop - 2018-10-23 16:20:05

You know, I've seen you step over the line and attempt to demean other members numerous times, and yet you never seem capable of looking at your own performance and how it impacts others here and importantly how newbies and tourists perceive it. 

It's pretty simple, if a post offends you take it up with a moderator and ignore the author's posts in future. The Moderators or Curator will decide whther a members posts are out of bounds and take appropriate action. It's not for you to decide what's acceptable and what's not...move on and stop the nonsense

I'd prefer it to be apolitical.....

by BOBTHOM - 2018-10-23 22:10:22

The info related to costs of pacemakers may be slightly related however I find the way it was presented as totally slanted.  Stating that new tarrifs my increase costs is one thing, but to drag it out with the Harley Davidson saga and how many jobs may or may not be lost because of the presidents policies takes it to far for my taste and I'm with AgentX86 on this one.  You could also argue that the increased use of Obamacare has resulted in more pacemakers being implanted which in turn has increased premiums for everyone and the middle class getting hit the hardest because they don't get the subsidies.  But that's not what I come to this forum for.  It's for info about pacemakers, research about the symptoms, and support for the emotional drain.   Last I'll comment on this subject, my time is better spent on real pacemaker posts.

Comment from a moderator

by donr - 2018-10-24 00:29:17

David's comment was a legit post - addreessing a real problem - cost to the usert/host..

I learned from Selwyn that PM's are not made where I thought they were   made..

What President Trump does can very easily affect the entire world.  His "Negotiating "
 with China is disruptive to the World marketplace - but it must be done..  US/ Chinese trade has been a sore point for years and the time has come to redress many inequities.  We obviously have not yet hit the final state of affairs, so we must be a bit more patient to see what the final outcome is. 

All I can say is that there is no reuirement that you read the post - you can quit reading it at any time after you start.  Just don't raise cain because you do not like a post.  If you do, uou are being doctrinaire &  affecting what others may like. 

Donr

Balance of pacemaker exports between UK and rest of EU?

by atiras - 2018-10-24 08:37:43

I'd prefer to skip pure politics, and  I'm less than impressed with the standards of debate shown in the early part of this comment chain; however perhaps the participants relished the increase in blood pressure. And my browser provides useful buttons for skipping what I dislike.

Moving on, the topic is interesting -- even if I didn't have to pay for my pacemaker and trust I won't have to do so in future (bless that NHS). I'd welcome more factual data on how Brexit will affect the costs to the NHS of providing pacemakers. Selwyn, do you knopw how the balance of pacemaker exports splits between the UK/the rest of the EU?

Another Moderator comment

by donr - 2018-10-24 09:34:23

I say again - If you don't like them, don't read them!

I am a practice manager for a Primary care Physician.  Cost is a real problem for many people - I was talking to a 78 YO man last night (who has an ICD) about what he is going to do when he finally retires & goes onto Medicare.  He said that he faces a potential $1200 per month cost for him and his wife.  He is currently a Med supply company Rep who services us.   (SIDEBAR:  He suffered three SCA about ten yrs back when my MD Daughter was  working full time in ER.  She saved him those three times & got him over 50 miles away to a hosp w/ cardiac capability.   He came back w/ the ICD after significant rehab.   He had zero concept as to ICD costs, either then or now or especially when he goes into retirement. He plays gholf two-three times per week and works because he loves what he is doing..  I thought he was in his 60's!  Courtesy of the PMC, I had an idea of the costs through several threads in there.  (BTW - his ICD has never fired.)

Donr

pacemaker cost

by DAVID H - 2018-10-24 15:09:18

Ian's and Selwyn's replys were the type I was hoping to elicit................objective and factual. I wasn't intending to provoke a confrontation - I was stating current facts. BUT - I know the venom that inhabits the likes of the responder immediately after my post has become common - my wife runs into it whenever she makes a non-provoking, even bland comment to others who own this caustic personality. I've found the proper response to this viciousness is to employ the Scorpio that resides within me.  The owners of the caustic personalities to whom I offer a Scorpio's response find it abhorrent.