Post PM instillation life changes?

Hey All

Now that I have the PM installed(One week today), is there any lifestyle changes that should be made or any preventative maintenance decisions? i.e.

See a nutritionist and have full diet changed(I have a decent one at the mo, Porridge for Bfast, ceaser-salad for lunch and meat dinners)

Start taking vitamins

Walk/Run 1h a day, ETC

Whatever it takes to prolong life expectancy post the PM instillation, given that there’s articles I'm reading saying life expectancy after instillation is 4-5 years(which would only make me 40yoa if true)

Thanx for any advice


11 Comments

Your new pacemaker

by AgentX86 - 2019-04-30 12:43:02

There is nothing your pacemaker needs. The underlying reason that you needed it may be cause for lifestyle changes. My advice is to not go overboard because of your pacemaker. You have a life to live, too.

I didn't do anything differently because of my pacemaker (other than feeling better so I _can_ do more) but I made some pretty big changes because of my CABG surgery, three years before. I walk (a lot) and have lost a good deal of weight. However,  I also eat a lot (calories to feed the walking have to come from somewhere). If there is something that you want to change,  the big challenge is to find something that you can stick with for the long haul.

Lifestyle changes.

by IAN MC - 2019-04-30 13:19:11

Welcome to the club and I wish you a rapid return to complete recovery.

You have a pacemaker because you developed an electrical problem of your heart.  Unlike plumbing problems ( furred up arteries etc ) your electrical problem has no connection with your lifestyle.

The question you ask is no different to asking if you should alter your lifestyle because your TV has developed a fault.

If you're not exercising enough then increase your exercise; if you're eating the wrong stuff then eat more healthily but NOT because you have a pacemaker !

I haven't a clue what articles you have been reading but the stuff you quote re shortened life span is absolute nonsense.

Send another post in 10 yrs time, then another one in 20 yrs , then another one in 30 yrs ....  just to prove to us all that what you have read really IS nonsense.

Like you I have a pacemaker for Sick Sinus Syndrome and will soon be in my eleventh year since implant......( Aaaaaaarg spoke too soon, I think I'm dying !! )

Best of luck and Welcome

Ian

life style & expectancy

by RedRocksGirl - 2019-04-30 15:10:36

Wow, I know everyone here has pacemakers/ICDs for different heart related conditions, I have mine because of a random virus that settled in my heart a couple years ago resulting in heart failure. I'm fairly new to this community having my first ICD put in January of this year but know that getting the ICD is going to add years to my life instead of making it shorter. I haven't seen or read anything that says that life expectancy after getting one is 4-5 years!

 

Like you too, I've had brain surgery in the past, they did a crainiotomy to remove a benign (thank goodness) tumor but I was WAY MORE freaked out about getting my ICD put in than I was when I had the brain surgery. That was a walk in the park, but now having gone through the ICD implantation - twice in 3 months (it "broke free" from pec use walking with my crutches), it wasn't really that much difficult than the brain surgery.  At least no headaches afterwards with this one! Lol  Modern medicine is pretty amazing.

 

Once you get used to life after getting the PM put in I'm sure you'll do great and become a lot more at ease with things, especially regarding nutrition and exercise.  Look forward to seeing your post 10, 20 and 30 years down the line like IAN MC said!

Go Plant Based

by Swangirl - 2019-04-30 16:59:44

Go to Dr. Greger's website:  www.nutritionfacts.com  Everything he tells you is based on research, not opinion.  If you want to do your heart a favor and keep your arteries clean and feel terrific, adopt a plant based diet.  

Live long and prosper

by Gotrhythm - 2019-04-30 17:02:57

Anything you do to improve your overall health will benefit your heart and vice versa. It will also improve your energy and stamina--making just about anything you do more enjoyable. If you do everything "right" you may live longer.

BUT nothing you do will help or improve how your pacemaker works and therefore lengthen your life.

As for life expectancy post pacemaker, don't know where you got your information, but it's wrong. 4--5 years indeed! I've already lived 8 years, and that's nothing. We have people who have lifed with pacemakers for 20, 30, 40 plus years. 

Lfie expectancy for people with pacemakers is about the same as for people without.

Nutrition religious mythology

by ar_vin - 2019-04-30 17:03:17

Please don't spread the baloney from the "plant based" "Dr Greger"......

Feel free to follow any dogma you wish but please refrain from spreading the mythology.

 

life changes

by ROBO Pop - 2019-04-30 20:03:26

Change the oil in your device every three months. And stay away from healthy living. Look at all the fitness advocates here who're in the same boat as me, and I've enjoyed every minute of my debauchery

Life expectancy

by AgentX86 - 2019-05-01 21:34:01

Well, it's a fact that people with pacemakers have a lower life expectancy than the general population.  That in no way means that a person with a pacemaker won't live a normal, productive life, like anyone else.  These two statements aren't at odds with each other because pacemakers are implanted in people with very sick hearts, so on average the life expectancy (the definition) is lower than the general population. 

It's also true that someone with a pacemaker will have a longer life, on average, than the same person without a pacemaker, and more importantly that life will be more productive and fulfilling.  That's the important take-away. The "average person's life expectancy" isn't important to my life.  I'm not the "average person", for better or worse.

Life Expectancy

by IAN MC - 2019-05-02 05:21:52

Who says  " It's a fact that people with pacemakers have a lower life expectancy .... "    ??

There seem to be very few published papers on the effect on life expectancy of pacemaker implant and it does depend on what other cardio-vascular disease you may have

If you have a PM simply to manage a slow heart rate and you don't have any other heart issues then studies done by the European Society of Cardiology are encouraging . A summary quote from one study which specifically looked at life expectancy was :-

"Pacemakers implanted for slow heart rhythm restore life expectancy to normal levels, reveals research presented at ESC Congress 2013 today by Dr Erik O. Udo from the Netherlands. The findings provide a new reference point for the prognosis of modern pacemaker patients."

Obviously if you are a cardiac cripple AND get a pacemaker then your life expectancy will not revert to normal but for simple bradycardias , evidence is suggesting that  " yes it will  "

Agent's gloomy first sentence is inaccurate and should have referred to " some people " .  Average effects are irrelevant.

Ian

Wrong.

by AgentX86 - 2019-05-02 15:58:32

It's certainly NOT inaccurate. It sums up the statistic precisely. Unfortunately, this statistic (and almost all others) says pretty much nothing standing by itself. The fact is that some REALLY sick people receive pacemakers as a last ditch effort to save their lives. If you'd read my entire answer you wouldn't have jumped to such a silly  conclusion (and rephrased much of what I wrote, agreeing with me). <sheesh>

 

AGREE WITH WRONG --OR MAYBE NOT

by Steve Gregorich - 2019-05-09 11:32:36

Ladies and gents, WRONG is right (AgentX86, that is.)  Understanding statistics in research requires that there is some detailed knowledge of the data that went into the research.  In this case, AgentX86 is correct, the data about survival rate after getting a pacemaker is composed of many people who are way up in years and had the PM inserted on an emergency basis -- they very often do not survive very long.  On the other hand, there are plenty of people who have a PM installed for less critical reasons and the PM assists them in living a long life -- 10, 20, 30 years, as you say.  But when you aggregate all that data, you come up with something like 4-5 years, on average.

An example of a short-lived PM iinstallation is my brother.  In his 80s with severe diabetes, after having one leg removed and developing many other problems, he had a PM installed in an emergency situation.  He died one year later due to continued complications. His was one among many similar cases that lower the statistic for survival rate after having a PM installed.

But let's look at the statistics from another angle: in a way, while AgentX86 is factually correct in siting the average survival rate after installation, on a practical basis and in this situation, his citation is not relevant and does not represent the population he is communicating with nor does it represent his own situation.  I guess I can sum up my comment by saying that we are all a little bit right and a little bit wrong.  Now go out and play.

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