Vaccine for Covid

After my initial Covid vaccine and then second shot, I had to have a pacemaker implanted!  I was 76 and very healthy.  Fainted and had implant.  Another friend, same age, had the same experience.  Several people began having atrial fibrillation following the vaccine.  I have read of the vaccine affecting the heart muscle but no doctors take it seriously.  I am concerned about the booster and wondering if the vaccine could cause my heart weakness??  


11 Comments

Hmmm.

by crustyg - 2021-08-20 11:34:31

I struggle to accept your claim that 'no doctors take it seriously.'  In the USA the FDA issued this: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-june-25-2021 and in the UK this: https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/covid-19-vaccines-updates-for-july-2021 and there had been reports before these regulators finally accepted a causative link.

BUT, this is very uncommon.  Conduction defects: certainly possible.  AF - not so sure. 

Is it the cause for you?  It would have been possible, around the time, to take blood samples to help prove/disprove a causative connection, but it may be too late for that now.

Booster: risk or not?  I think an extremely small risk yes, but almost certainly much smaller risk than becoming sick from the Delta variant, if the data/experience from Israel is transferable.  Depends a lot on your personal health, which vaccine(s) you've had and some as-yet unknowns about booster vaccines.

Realistically, compare the tiny number of all the reports that you can find 'Vaccine <X> caused my [heart problem | blood clot | etc.]' and the hundreds of thousands of seniors who are now dead from the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Your choice.

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by prettylady - 2021-08-20 19:52:07

I am 78 years. and also after my first vaccine and with no heart problems ever. I had a pacemaker  installed. only systems  feeling faint. and they called it slow low heat beat. they called it tacky brad ?

tacky brad

by AgentX86 - 2021-08-20 23:04:54

Tht woud be tachy/Brady (tachycardia/Bradycarda). This when the heart beats too fast (tachycardia), then too slowly (Bradycardia). This common in people with a wonky sinus node.

t's certainly possible that the vaccine could ti you over the edge but my guess would be that the virus would do a much better job of screwing with your electrical system, or worse.

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by Old male - 2021-08-21 12:04:13

A 68 year old relative had a case of Covid last year. Recently he was tested and told he had the antibodies. Asked his doctor about taking the shot and was advised not to at this point as it could likely cause problems. Here we have 2 members with first hand experience and mention of ones friend with same, "needed a pacemaker" after the shot.. I had an Ex-relative in nursing home that died 3 days after the vaccine. When this virus started, we were told that only one mask really worked. The 3M N95. Then stores are selling medical looking masks that state on the box "not for medical use". Next, any old form of cloth rag face covering is acceptable . There has been too much contradictory information from both so called medical experts and government officials. One does not know what the truth is. I would have to think overall health condition of an individual should have to be factored in with any medical treatment decision. As far as the comment about "doctors not taking it seriously",  they might be hesitant to give much advice against the vaccine as their job could be threatened. Interesting to see people's opinions expressed, pro & con comments about something no one knows for sure.. We don't know how an individual will be affected if they get the virus but I assume the pacemaker to be permanent?

Anti-Vaccination nonsense ??

by IAN MC - 2021-08-21 14:29:18

There have now been 4.91 billion doses of Covid vaccine given world wide.  Why has an upswing in pacemaker sales  not been identified .... because the risks of one leading to the other are infinitesimally small !

Anti-vaccination stuff like this could lead to more people unnecessarily dying from the virus . Please let common sense prevail.

Ian

 

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by Selwyn - 2021-08-21 17:58:22

The problem is cause and effect.  Given the high numbers of vaccinations  what is associated with the vaccine?  To do this you have to compare like with like ( those unvaccinated with those vaccinated). This can be difficult.  So, are road traffic accidents associated with having the vaccine - almost certainly as the majority of people going to get vaccinated  go by car ( hence the increased risk),,,, and so on.

More than 177 million people have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine in the United States, and CDC continues to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines for any health problems that happen after vaccination.
Since April 2021, there have been more than a thousand reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of cases of inflammation of the heart—called myocarditis and pericarditis—happening after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (i.e., Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna) in the United States.

Ref: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019 ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html).

Now offset that risk against the risk of heart rhythm disturbance due to Covid infection, of which I am a victim. Waiting for a flutter catheter ablation. My Covid, like a lot of others, affected my heart .... plenty of reports of this when I talked to those doing cardiology at my hospital.

On the whole, it is still safer to have the vaccine as Covid is a killer ( 100+ deaths today in the UK within 28 days of a positive test for Covid). Covid remains a nasty infection even for those double vaccinated. Without the vaccinations I doubt whether a lot more people would have survived. The latest figures for the UK report the latest estimates that the vaccination programme has prevented over 82,100 hospitalisations in those aged 65 and over in England. Further data suggests that it has also prevented 95,200 deaths and 23,957,000 COVID-19 infections more widely.

Nothing is without risk- get vaccinated. Perhaps you should walk to the vaccination centre?!

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by abbelbruno - 2021-08-21 21:57:24

I got my second vaccine three days after my ablation with my EP's approval. I ended up having to call 911 because I fainted and went into my worst episode of AFIB. That being said, I'd do it again in effort to hopefully not contract Covid. My EP didn't rule out that the vaccine may have sparked the issue (given my heart was already swollen from the ablation) but, like your mentioning wouldn't confirm it was the cause. I too have since had a pacemaker but that was due to SSS. 

J&J covid shot....

by BOBTHOM - 2021-08-22 01:06:08


I got the J&J single dose shot on April 1st.  Silly me, April fools day, but anyway, I chose that because I had an upcoming procedure to open up my iliac artery on April 23rd and did not want to conflict between shots and procedure.  Anyway, when they did blood work prior to surgery they found low platelet count, fortunately the clotting time was still good so they proceeded, however 2 weeks later my platlets were at 80K before finally slowly recovering. Like others mentioned, no one will confirm if it was the vaccine as no one wants to suggest anything negative that might cause someone to not get vaccinated.  Personally, I beleive it was the vaccine, but even so, if I had to do it again I would still get the shot. But I also beleive it's a personal choice.  Do your homework, do your research, understand your own health and conditions and take proper precautions/actions.  For those throwing stats around, the general predicted mortality rate for covid is something like .7 percent.  Yes, 7 tenths of a percent. Now in the USA, population 340M, 1percent would still be 3.4 million dead.  This was predicted right from the start. We currently have about 620K deaths which is a mortality rate of about 2 tenths of a percent. Delta variant may increase that to about 2 percent which would be 6.8M. As the saying goes, numbers don't lie, just the people presenting them in a twisted fashion.

a young'n but....

by chrysotile - 2021-08-22 06:10:23

30, both pfizers in april, skip ahead two months and a 1-mo cardio study later for some things felt for months prior and i get a dual chamber, to my knowledge everythings been normal since. if its free, yea sure ill take a booster if they suggest it. aint exactly sugar cubes but if it does the job, by all means.

sidenote, it figures that the people who take an interest in the machine put in them *miiiight* be a bit more inclined to listen to formal medical institutions.

I like that.

For those throwing stats around...

by AgentX86 - 2021-08-22 22:55:35

You're doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing. When your assumptions are faulty, you can't expect better results. You assume 340M people and a 2% mortality rate, so 6.8M deaths.  This, of course, assumes that everyone will get covid, which is absurd. That's now how epidemics work, particularly ones with lowish r values. Delta's r seems to be higher but it's mortality doesn't and there are a *lot* more people immunized, either by vaccine or naturally. Talking about millions of deaths is simply more panic porm.

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by Ram - 2021-08-25 21:03:37

At 67 - Mar 18, 2 weeks after 2nd covid vaccine I got a long overdue physical and the dr did an in office ekg.  Sent me to cardiac specialist and found AV Complete Block. Because asymptomatic they could not say when it began and I highly doubt anyone of my Drs. reported it as a possible symptom of the vaccine because like Nancy's experience they seemed to just brush it off. It took me 3 EPs, 3 progressively worse monitor readings, and this PM Club to convince me to get the pm.  Glad I did, glad I'm vaccinated but hope the vaccine makers are really doing their due dilligence to prove one way or the other. 

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